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		<title>By: Hackadelic</title>
		<link>http://hackadelic.com/url-shortening-harmful-use-url-masking-cloaking-software-instead/comment-page-1#comment-5967</link>
		<dc:creator>Hackadelic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, interesting point. I don&#039;t know Google&#039;s secrets, but technically, with their own shortener, they at least have immediate access to the short URL&#039;s target, so they could attribute page rank to the actually targeted website instead or that of the shortener service. If they do it or not is part of the mystery. I do believe though they should be interested in it, because Google has always been obsessed about improving the relevance of their search results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, interesting point. I don&#8217;t know Google&#8217;s secrets, but technically, with their own shortener, they at least have immediate access to the short URL&#8217;s target, so they could attribute page rank to the actually targeted website instead or that of the shortener service. If they do it or not is part of the mystery. I do believe though they should be interested in it, because Google has always been obsessed about improving the relevance of their search results.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://hackadelic.com/url-shortening-harmful-use-url-masking-cloaking-software-instead/comment-page-1#comment-5958</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about using google&#039;s short URL service released just before? Will it be useful for SEO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about using google&#8217;s short URL service released just before? Will it be useful for SEO?</p>
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		<title>By: Hackadelic</title>
		<link>http://hackadelic.com/url-shortening-harmful-use-url-masking-cloaking-software-instead/comment-page-1#comment-5705</link>
		<dc:creator>Hackadelic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent remark, bluehost. Indeed you&#039;d expect 301 redirects to pass on SEO juice. However, my own (first-hand) observations indicate that, unfortunately, PR is not passed on to the target page, at least not immediately. Hmmm, this topic could be worth a post, I think... &lt;:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent remark, bluehost. Indeed you&#8217;d expect 301 redirects to pass on SEO juice. However, my own (first-hand) observations indicate that, unfortunately, PR is not passed on to the target page, at least not immediately. Hmmm, this topic could be worth a post, I think&#8230; &lt;:)</p>
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		<title>By: bluehost</title>
		<link>http://hackadelic.com/url-shortening-harmful-use-url-masking-cloaking-software-instead/comment-page-1#comment-5704</link>
		<dc:creator>bluehost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure that ALL shorteners are devoid of SEO link juice. For instance, bit.ly actually gives you a 301 permanent redirect whereas other shorteners will do a 302 (which is not as effective in getting search engine love).

As a shameless plug, I&#039;m providing my link below that was shortened by bit.ly -- http://bit.ly/c7cFWu

You can take the above URL and run it through anyone of those sites that will verify whether your redirect is a 301, 302 or any other server status such as 404 and 200. The one I use frequently is http://gsitecrawler.com/tools/Server-Status.aspx.

As I understand it (although I am NOT an SEO expert by any stretch of the imagination), google and other search engines will pass link juice through 301 redirects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure that ALL shorteners are devoid of SEO link juice. For instance, bit.ly actually gives you a 301 permanent redirect whereas other shorteners will do a 302 (which is not as effective in getting search engine love).</p>
<p>As a shameless plug, I&#8217;m providing my link below that was shortened by bit.ly &#8212; <a href="http://bit.ly/c7cFWu" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/c7cFWu</a></p>
<p>You can take the above URL and run it through anyone of those sites that will verify whether your redirect is a 301, 302 or any other server status such as 404 and 200. The one I use frequently is <a href="http://gsitecrawler.com/tools/Server-Status.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://gsitecrawler.com/tools/Server-Status.aspx</a>.</p>
<p>As I understand it (although I am NOT an SEO expert by any stretch of the imagination), google and other search engines will pass link juice through 301 redirects.</p>
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		<title>By: blueshell</title>
		<link>http://hackadelic.com/url-shortening-harmful-use-url-masking-cloaking-software-instead/comment-page-1#comment-5595</link>
		<dc:creator>blueshell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I don&#039;t like shortened URLs when I&#039;m surfing online for they make me feel insecure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t like shortened URLs when I&#8217;m surfing online for they make me feel insecure.</p>
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		<title>By: Hackadelic</title>
		<link>http://hackadelic.com/url-shortening-harmful-use-url-masking-cloaking-software-instead/comment-page-1#comment-5567</link>
		<dc:creator>Hackadelic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 06:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince, thank you for sharing this. Seems like a great tool. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince, thank you for sharing this. Seems like a great tool. <img src='http://hackadelic.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: vince jelenic</title>
		<link>http://hackadelic.com/url-shortening-harmful-use-url-masking-cloaking-software-instead/comment-page-1#comment-5539</link>
		<dc:creator>vince jelenic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 00:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, 
We needed a shortening tool, for a website with already 1000 posts up. 
And we wanted a solution which could be used for other sites too.. 

The solution was simpl (duh... like after the fact of course). 

We installed Lessn. This allows us to use it&#039;s tools to shorten any url on the net to the form of
http:/ /t wojjs.com/x/ 3242  for example. ( broken on purpose here)

We the created a PHP script with the Lessn API such that it would automatically create a short url for any page in our site.  The short url is created upon the page loading.  Duplicates are not made, Lessn takes care of the back end. 

View at http://twojjs.com , any page, on left side, small tweet button, uses this shortener,  and the field below it displays that page&#039;s short &quot;anywhere&quot; url for copy into anywhere. 

I&#039;d love to have a plugin developer pop this together as a plugin perhaps..  (I don&#039;t do). 

This type of shortener does one thing only, no stats, no tracking...      definetly low-key, but I tend to like short sweet, and quick more than most. 

Touch base if you think you can do something with this info. 
(ps. I can use this across many different websites, same or other servers, currently planning on using across 10 domains). 

sweet, simple, quick, portable (not tied to WP) , password proteced and API capable,   I couldn&#039;t find a better solution. 
The beauty was, install, set up, and forget about it.  done.   haven&#039;t given it another thought in a week. 

cheers.
Vince</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi,<br />
We needed a shortening tool, for a website with already 1000 posts up.<br />
And we wanted a solution which could be used for other sites too.. </p>
<p>The solution was simpl (duh&#8230; like after the fact of course). </p>
<p>We installed Lessn. This allows us to use it&#8217;s tools to shorten any url on the net to the form of<br />
http:/ /t wojjs.com/x/ 3242  for example. ( broken on purpose here)</p>
<p>We the created a PHP script with the Lessn API such that it would automatically create a short url for any page in our site.  The short url is created upon the page loading.  Duplicates are not made, Lessn takes care of the back end. </p>
<p>View at <a href="http://twojjs.com" rel="nofollow">http://twojjs.com</a> , any page, on left side, small tweet button, uses this shortener,  and the field below it displays that page&#8217;s short &#8220;anywhere&#8221; url for copy into anywhere. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to have a plugin developer pop this together as a plugin perhaps..  (I don&#8217;t do). </p>
<p>This type of shortener does one thing only, no stats, no tracking&#8230;      definetly low-key, but I tend to like short sweet, and quick more than most. </p>
<p>Touch base if you think you can do something with this info.<br />
(ps. I can use this across many different websites, same or other servers, currently planning on using across 10 domains). </p>
<p>sweet, simple, quick, portable (not tied to WP) , password proteced and API capable,   I couldn&#8217;t find a better solution.<br />
The beauty was, install, set up, and forget about it.  done.   haven&#8217;t given it another thought in a week. </p>
<p>cheers.<br />
Vince</p>
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		<title>By: topbloggingsoftware</title>
		<link>http://hackadelic.com/url-shortening-harmful-use-url-masking-cloaking-software-instead/comment-page-1#comment-5508</link>
		<dc:creator>topbloggingsoftware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use a cloaker some but most times just go with it. I do not do direct affiliate marketing n my blogs/sites so just going into settings and changing to %postname% on the permalink works well enough. Thanks for the interesting posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use a cloaker some but most times just go with it. I do not do direct affiliate marketing n my blogs/sites so just going into settings and changing to %postname% on the permalink works well enough. Thanks for the interesting posting.</p>
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		<title>By: Hackadelic</title>
		<link>http://hackadelic.com/url-shortening-harmful-use-url-masking-cloaking-software-instead/comment-page-1#comment-5284</link>
		<dc:creator>Hackadelic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ari,

good points. You may be interested in a &quot;personal&quot; shortener then. They provide a short URL path, but start at your own domain. So instead of &quot;thingly.me/b17fe8&quot; your get &quot;yourdoman.com/b17fe8&quot;. Of course, if your domain is longish by itself, the shortening will be less effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ari,</p>
<p>good points. You may be interested in a &#8220;personal&#8221; shortener then. They provide a short URL path, but start at your own domain. So instead of &#8220;thingly.me/b17fe8&#8243; your get &#8220;yourdoman.com/b17fe8&#8243;. Of course, if your domain is longish by itself, the shortening will be less effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ari Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you bring up some valid points and a decent solution. The comment:

&quot;I can think of only one logical reason to use an URL shortener in the own blog: To cloak a link the target of which you don’t want to be immediately visible to the reader (an affiliate link, for example).&quot;

I would tend to agree with this only as a partial demographic. Outside of limited 140 char sets for a Twitter entry, I personally shorten for one of two purposes:
1) in order to allow the end user to easily transcribe from mobile device to workstation browsers
2) in order to avoid a line break in a link sent via email, where the end user is too confused to understand the issue of the &#039;broken link&#039;

I also think that a URL shortening service is a way to hide the originating URL server, but for me, I do not use them to hide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you bring up some valid points and a decent solution. The comment:</p>
<p>&#8220;I can think of only one logical reason to use an URL shortener in the own blog: To cloak a link the target of which you don’t want to be immediately visible to the reader (an affiliate link, for example).&#8221;</p>
<p>I would tend to agree with this only as a partial demographic. Outside of limited 140 char sets for a Twitter entry, I personally shorten for one of two purposes:<br />
1) in order to allow the end user to easily transcribe from mobile device to workstation browsers<br />
2) in order to avoid a line break in a link sent via email, where the end user is too confused to understand the issue of the &#8216;broken link&#8217;</p>
<p>I also think that a URL shortening service is a way to hide the originating URL server, but for me, I do not use them to hide.</p>
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